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Working Out Characters Ages: Vetinari

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Assuming the Discworld Timeline pages are correct, I'd calculate Vetinari's year of birth as being either 1939 or 1940 based on the assumption he was aged 17 or 18 (and so both older than Vimes' yonger self and in the final year/sixth form equivalent of the guild) during Night Watch. [If he were in the 5th year during Night Watch that could place his year of birth as being 1941 or 1942] For the purposes of my initial thoughts I'm working with the older option. That would make it 1951 when he joined the guild

Note: A gap of 7 years between Night Watch and Colour of Magic (assuming he is the Patrician at that time - which is possible considering he'd be about 24/25). During this time We can assume the Grand Sneer (and meeting with Lady Margolotta) took place and Vetinari assisted Lord Snapcasere: tax on rat tails. If he weren't the patrician in the colour of magic that would make a gap of 17 years during which most of his activities are unknown, apart from graduating from the guild (again?)

Note: As off THUD!, assuming he's been patrician since Sorcery he would have been patrician for 17 years. If he'd been patrician during the Colour of Magic he'll of been in office for 27 years.

Note: It's interesting theres a gap of 10 years between The Colour of Magic and Sorcery - plenty of time for him to lose weight (following one theory)and wonder what was going on all that time

Note: recent events much easier to document. There also seems a higher frequency of his involvement in more recent stories.

Of course, we are assuming there aren't a seventh or eighth form in the guild - this being the disc. On that basis, assuming he's in either seventh or eighth form during Night Watch he may have joined the guild a year or two earlier than normally considered. Could this impact age/dates?

And then of course, it might be that he doesn't age entirely normally - considering Rincewind's hourglass looks as if it had been blown by a gassblower with hiccups, what if the same applied to other hourglasses.

Events yet to be placed:

• Making Money - Vetinari starts taking care of Mr Fusspot (aged 52/53?)
• Unseen Academicals - Visit of an Orc, redevelopment of Football (Aged 53/54?)
• Snuff - Goblins granted equal rights to other sentient beings (Aged 54/55?)
• Raising Steam - The Undertaking (Aged 55/56?)

My worked out timeline so far - extra info is provided for context:

Year (UC)	Vetinari's Age	Current affairs
1939 or 1940	Possible Date of Birth
1941	1/2
1942	2/3
1943	3/4
1944	4/5
1945	5/6
1946	6/7
1947	7/8
1948	8/9
1949	9/10
1950	10/11	Joins the Guild of Assassins?
1951	11/12	Joins the Guild of Assassins?
1952	12/13
1953	13/14
1954	14/15
1955	15/16
1956	16/17
1957	17/18	Night Watch
		Assassinates (through fear) Patrician Lord Winder.
		Participates in the Glorious Revolution (fought on the side of the watchmen and wears lilac in remembrance)
		Vimes a year younger??? Sybil Aged 16?
1958	18/19
1959	19/20
1960	20/21
1961	21/22
1962	22/23
1963	23/24
1964	24/25	The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic
		Fire spreads through Ankh-Morpork
1965	25/26
1966	26/27	Moist von Lipwig's Birth?
		Equal Rights
1967	27/28	Keli becomes Queen of Sto Lat
		Mort and Ysabell become Duke and Duchess of Sto Helit?
1968	28/29	Graduation from the Guild of Assassins with full honors (Sachrissa Cripslock, Twurp's Peerage, The Truth)
		[Might only be latest graduation - post graduate program]
1969	29/30	Birth and orphaning of Carrot Ironfoundersson
		Lancre sent forward in time by 15 years and may have taken Cohen the Barbarian with it
1970	30/31	Approx year of Susan Sto Helit's Birth
1971	31/32
1972	32/33
1973	33/34
1974	34/35	Sorcery
		Definitely Patrician.
		Vetinari temporarily turned into a lizard.
		Feels uncomfortable around glass and has an urge to catch flies with his tongue for a short time afterwards.
1975	35/36
1976	36/37
1977	37/38
1978	38/39
1979	39/40
1980	40/41
1981	41/42
1982	42/43
1983	43/44
1984	44/45	Verence II of Lancre crowned
1985	45/46	Guards! Guards!
		Vimes mentions Vetinari's aunt (Lady Roberta Meserole) suggesting she's alive
		Temporarily deposed and 'imprisoned' within the palace dungeons. Leaves of own free will and resumes patricianship.
		Lupine Wonse (secretary) plots against Vetinari. Dies.
		Rufus Drumknott becomes patricians secretary
		Carrot Ironfoundersson joins the Night Watch
		Mustrum Ridcully becomes Archchancellor of UU
		Hughnon Ridcully becomes High Priest of Blind Io
		Witches Abroad - Lillith deposed in Genua
		Moving Pictures
		Vetinari visits the Odeon
		Reaper Man
		Discusses taxes with the university and holds a meeting
1986	46/47	Men At Arms
		Attempted assassination by Edward d'Eath using the gonne.
		Shot in the leg by the gonne. Walks with a cane afterwards [and slight limp for a short while?]
		Vimes and Sybil marry and Vimes knighted and promoted to Commander of the Watch
		Carrot Ironfoundersson promted to Captain
		Detritus and Angua join the Watch
		Interesting Times
		Genghiz Cohen conquers Agatean Empire
		Soul Music
		Mentions Vetinari's interests in music, thoughts on the city and work with informants (including Foul Ole' Ron!)
		Verence II marries Magrat Garlick
1987	47/48	Feet of Clay
		Plot against Vetinari using arsenic in a candle to poison him
		Dorfl and Cheery join the Watch
		Movement to free Golems starts
		Cable Street Particulars reformed into plianclothes detectives
		Hogfather
1988	48/49	Jingo
		Leshp war with Klatch
		Visits Klatch and Leshp with Nobbs, Colon and Leonard da Quirm.
		Shows understanding of Klatchian language and ability to juggle despite never having done so before
		Vimes created Duke of Ankh
		300th Anniversary of Ankh-Morpork Civil War
1989	49/50	The Fifth Elephant
1990	50/51	The Truth
		Wuffles aged 16
		Plot against Vetinari, framing him for the attempted murder of Drumknott - proven innocent
		Later events of Night Watch
		Birth of Young Sam Vimes
1991	51/52	Going Postal
		Refounding of post-office under Moist von Lipwig (who is also entrusted with the clacks)
1991	51/52	Monstrous Regiment
		Borogravia-Zlobenia War
		THUD!
		Peace treaty signed between Low King of the Dwarves and Diamond King of the Trolls
		Wuffles deceased. Buried in palace garden and visited by Vetinari weekly.
1992	52/53
1993	53/54
1994	54/55
1995	55/56
1996	56/57
1997	57/58
1998	58/59
1999	59/60
2000	60/61

...using the page for its usual purpose

Re:Vetinari's degrees, that's what I found, of course. (Dromandkass disappeared after planting another little mystery in Mrs Beddowe's House. No one else seems to have an Assassins' Diary. Its nice to make some mention of the source when adding possibly startling new revelations, although we don't have any citations mechanism like Wikipedia.

Also, do remember to sign your Talk posts. --Old Dickens (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2013 (GMT)

Must admit I thought I had signed them - and when I forget I go back and add them - it is difficult though working from a tablet - scolling and inserting links and clicking buttons at the top and applying them to the right place on a page can be problematic --Verity (talk) 07:35, 3 December 2013 (GMT)