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Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST) | Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST) | ||
I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". | I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by [[User:Confusion]] 02:49, 22 December 2013) | ||
:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT) | :Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT) | ||
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I cannot edit the article on my phone but durring the footballer meeting where lord vetinari(gasp!) drinks beer, it is revealed as she is the founding member of the black ribboners(temperence league) I think it was revealed in a earlier book as well but don't hold me to it ~~Frogz~~
Which Margolotta?
I've just encountered another suggestion (outside the wiki) that Margolotta is the font of all evil in recent Discworld history. Because she appears in the same book with the Evil Empire, she is accused of leading it. AgProv has written some condemnation here as well, and there seems to be great ambivalence about her character and contributions. I don't see anything in the canon describing her as anything but the font and promoter of the new order of progress and peace among the species. Wasn't she the force behind peace among the ancient enemies of Überwald, Vetinari's first teacher in political science and the rescuer of the last Orcs? Vampires are not sympathetic characters to start, but I think the point is that she has overcome the Vampire trope and Wizards have given up destroying the landscape and Detritus is a smarter Troll, some Dwarves can consider more than gold and Werewolves can be vegetarians (most of the time).
Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily nice, he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --Old Dickens 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)
I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in The Fifth Elephant. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by User:Confusion 02:49, 22 December 2013)
- Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --Old Dickens (talk) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)
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Lady Margolotta, on her first meeting with Vimes, as envisaged by Woschaebedip on deviantArt. A link to Woschaebedip's pages with lots more Discworld art is here:- http://woschaebedip.deviantart.com/ This artwork appears here with the express permission of its creator and should not be copied elsewhere on the Web without her permission. Thank you!