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10 year old [[Nobby Nobbs]], now, is exactly a Baker Street Irregular. ...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:51, 24 June 2007 (CEST) | 10 year old [[Nobby Nobbs]], now, is exactly a Baker Street Irregular. ...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:51, 24 June 2007 (CEST) | ||
[[User:Hapenny|Hapenny]] now says it's a definite reference, but fails to say why, or who told | [[User:Hapenny|Hapenny]] now says it's a definite reference, but fails to say why, or who told her. | ||
I remain totally unconvinced. ...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | I remain totally unconvinced. ...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
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The Baker Street Irregulars have been mentioned before, but no one ever explains what the connection is between a group of street urchins working for the good guys and an evil crew of secret policemen working for the villain. They could be compared to the Canting Crew, maybe, but I don't see why the Unmentionables. (The Bow Street Runners would be more credible.) --Old Dickens 17:26, 23 June 2007 (CEST)
10 year old Nobby Nobbs, now, is exactly a Baker Street Irregular. ...--Old Dickens 02:51, 24 June 2007 (CEST)
Hapenny now says it's a definite reference, but fails to say why, or who told her. I remain totally unconvinced. ...--Old Dickens 17:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Come on, Dickens. [Name] Street [Particulars/Irregulars]? I really don't see how you can claim that to be pure coincidence. One could even say that particular (as in precious and pedantic) is a contrast to irregular, but that may be pushing it. Ha'penny is completely convinced. Her jaw drops at the idea that it could be anything else. As a matter of fact, a quick google will show you that the APF backs me up completely (http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/maskerade.html page 247).--Hapenny 18:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm probably out-voted again. No one's come up with any relation between the street children and the very Establishment secret police for me yet. Do you mean only that the the form of the name is the same? --Old Dickens 20:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it needs to run deep - when I first came across it in Maskerade, it made me chuckle but I never saw it intended as any meaningful comparison. If I think about it, I can sense various contrasts which could be said to be drawn between Establishment Particulars and urchin Irregulars but I frankly don't think it's worth it.--Hapenny 17:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Whereas I would say the only reason to mention it would be as part of a discussion of various substitutions of opposites in Night Watch, probably including Nobby as an Irregular type who grew into a corrupt policeman - but that's why I don't get involved in annotation; I only mentioned this one because it keeps creeping into the real articles. --Old Dickens 17:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)