Talk:Book:Raising Steam - Revision history

AgProv: /* Many questions */

2014-04-10T21:09:38Z

Many questions

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	:* Re: Vetinari's gammy leg - I've been under the impression (or perhaps illusion) that it hasn't really been a problem for some time and Vetinari has quietly encouraged the view that it's a problem. Perhaps he made use of the spell closer to the time the injury took place. Perhaps, considering how many wizards were present following the injury, it seemed a good idea to them to offer what help they could, else once back on his feet his Lordship might start asking some difficult questions (like 'how useful is magic - and therefore practitioners - really?', or 'how is it witches and not wizards are renowned for the healing practices?' or 'when spells such as Grapeshot's Therapeutic Squeezer are known, why didn't the wizards present use it?' - the sort of difficult questions which seem more poignant than potential answers). There is also a mention in Men at Arms that could be imagined/twisted to fit in:		:* Re: Vetinari's gammy leg - I've been under the impression (or perhaps illusion) that it hasn't really been a problem for some time and Vetinari has quietly encouraged the view that it's a problem. Perhaps he made use of the spell closer to the time the injury took place. Perhaps, considering how many wizards were present following the injury, it seemed a good idea to them to offer what help they could, else once back on his feet his Lordship might start asking some difficult questions (like 'how useful is magic - and therefore practitioners - really?', or 'how is it witches and not wizards are renowned for the healing practices?' or 'when spells such as Grapeshot's Therapeutic Squeezer are known, why didn't the wizards present use it?' - the sort of difficult questions which seem more poignant than potential answers). There is also a mention in Men at Arms that could be imagined/twisted to fit in:
	::'The Archchancellor had also given him a long drink of something he said was a marvelous remedy, although he'd been unspecific as to what it cured.'		::'The Archchancellor had also given him a long drink of something he said was a marvelous remedy, although he'd been unspecific as to what it cured.'
			** Discreet recourse to Igors, perhaps, whilst maintaining the cane and limp for appearances' sake? there's that revealing little snippet in {{TT}} about Vetinari being able to move with a speed and agility that would surprise many people (especially intruders in the Palace). And Havelock is a graduate Assassin, after all...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 21:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
	:*Re: Moist's age, I wonder if the term 'Middle age' is being applied in a confusing way. Moist was around 26/27 I reckon at the time of {{GP}} and therefore in order for spying, etc to be part of his 'misspent youth and... largely misspent middle age' It would probably have to be before then. The 'largely' might suggest the turning point in his life from illegal con artist to public servant, pinning that temporal point and therefore definition of middle age to 26/27 - admittedly odd since most sources refer to middle age as starting around 40 - 45. It is very plausible he'd spend his duller moments perfecting the arts of spying even after taking over the post office etc (which could expand the definition) however I doubt he'd have had quite the same freedom or motive and it would be harder to apply the term 'misspent' to his life after Going Postal.		:*Re: Moist's age, I wonder if the term 'Middle age' is being applied in a confusing way. Moist was around 26/27 I reckon at the time of {{GP}} and therefore in order for spying, etc to be part of his 'misspent youth and... largely misspent middle age' It would probably have to be before then. The 'largely' might suggest the turning point in his life from illegal con artist to public servant, pinning that temporal point and therefore definition of middle age to 26/27 - admittedly odd since most sources refer to middle age as starting around 40 - 45. It is very plausible he'd spend his duller moments perfecting the arts of spying even after taking over the post office etc (which could expand the definition) however I doubt he'd have had quite the same freedom or motive and it would be harder to apply the term 'misspent' to his life after Going Postal.
	:: As for Vimes and Vetinari apparently being unaffected by age, well, there are those known to age in odd ways. Personally I reckon it has a lot to do with Narrativia and narrative energy (e.g. think of how the Egyptians believed immortality was partly achieved by keeping memories and names alive... but perhaps I'm blurring the lines too much between the Discworld I see that inspires fanfictiony scribblings and the one generally seen on the page and screen).		:: As for Vimes and Vetinari apparently being unaffected by age, well, there are those known to age in odd ways. Personally I reckon it has a lot to do with Narrativia and narrative energy (e.g. think of how the Egyptians believed immortality was partly achieved by keeping memories and names alive... but perhaps I'm blurring the lines too much between the Discworld I see that inspires fanfictiony scribblings and the one generally seen on the page and screen).
	:*Re: Margolotta's accent - You could potentially put it down to something similar to how Igors sometimes forget to lisp. I wonder if ~~theres~~ a pattern to when she does use the accent. In Raising Steam (certainly early on - I'm yet to finish it) she's in Uberwald, so for appearances sake - even just for the Igors/servants/locals - and possibly habit she uses the accent. Where as in Unseen Academicals, when she's in Ankh-Morpork she lets the habit slip or speaks Morporkian as Morporkians do (for some reason I'm put in mind of a scene from Poirot referring to 'Learn to speak French like a Frenchman' and the concept of speaking the Queen's English in the UK). I also wonder whether in an Uberwaldian accent 'when' would be pronounced 'vhen', just as 'what' is pronounced 'vhat' - if so it's not the case in {{RS}}.		:*Re: Margolotta's accent - You could potentially put it down to something similar to how Igors sometimes forget to lisp. I wonder if there's a pattern to when she does use the accent. In Raising Steam (certainly early on - I'm yet to finish it) she's in Uberwald, so for appearances sake - even just for the Igors/servants/locals - and possibly habit she uses the accent. Where as in Unseen Academicals, when she's in Ankh-Morpork she lets the habit slip or speaks Morporkian as Morporkians do (for some reason I'm put in mind of a scene from Poirot referring to 'Learn to speak French like a Frenchman' and the concept of speaking the Queen's English in the UK). I also wonder whether in an Uberwaldian accent 'when' would be pronounced 'vhen', just as 'what' is pronounced 'vhat' - if so it's not the case in {{RS}}.

	: But of course, a lot of this is explaining away problems. I hate nitpicking over words - to be honest I tend to just overlook or dismiss on grounds similar to the above a lot of these inconsistencies (Though Margolotta's accent variations between different books has been noticable) and get on with whats still an enjoyable story.		: But of course, a lot of this is explaining away problems. I hate nitpicking over words - to be honest I tend to just overlook or dismiss on grounds similar to the above a lot of these inconsistencies (Though Margolotta's accent variations between different books has been noticable) and get on with whats still an enjoyable story.

GallifreyanWitch: /* Many questions */

2014-04-08T00:43:34Z

Many questions

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	Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)		Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)


			: Just a few thoughts
			:* Re: Vetinari's gammy leg - I've been under the impression (or perhaps illusion) that it hasn't really been a problem for some time and Vetinari has quietly encouraged the view that it's a problem. Perhaps he made use of the spell closer to the time the injury took place. Perhaps, considering how many wizards were present following the injury, it seemed a good idea to them to offer what help they could, else once back on his feet his Lordship might start asking some difficult questions (like 'how useful is magic - and therefore practitioners - really?', or 'how is it witches and not wizards are renowned for the healing practices?' or 'when spells such as Grapeshot's Therapeutic Squeezer are known, why didn't the wizards present use it?' - the sort of difficult questions which seem more poignant than potential answers). There is also a mention in Men at Arms that could be imagined/twisted to fit in:
			::'The Archchancellor had also given him a long drink of something he said was a marvelous remedy, although he'd been unspecific as to what it cured.'
			:*Re: Moist's age, I wonder if the term 'Middle age' is being applied in a confusing way. Moist was around 26/27 I reckon at the time of {{GP}} and therefore in order for spying, etc to be part of his 'misspent youth and... largely misspent middle age' It would probably have to be before then. The 'largely' might suggest the turning point in his life from illegal con artist to public servant, pinning that temporal point and therefore definition of middle age to 26/27 - admittedly odd since most sources refer to middle age as starting around 40 - 45. It is very plausible he'd spend his duller moments perfecting the arts of spying even after taking over the post office etc (which could expand the definition) however I doubt he'd have had quite the same freedom or motive and it would be harder to apply the term 'misspent' to his life after Going Postal.
			:: As for Vimes and Vetinari apparently being unaffected by age, well, there are those known to age in odd ways. Personally I reckon it has a lot to do with Narrativia and narrative energy (e.g. think of how the Egyptians believed immortality was partly achieved by keeping memories and names alive... but perhaps I'm blurring the lines too much between the Discworld I see that inspires fanfictiony scribblings and the one generally seen on the page and screen).
			:*Re: Margolotta's accent - You could potentially put it down to something similar to how Igors sometimes forget to lisp. I wonder if theres a pattern to when she does use the accent. In Raising Steam (certainly early on - I'm yet to finish it) she's in Uberwald, so for appearances sake - even just for the Igors/servants/locals - and possibly habit she uses the accent. Where as in Unseen Academicals, when she's in Ankh-Morpork she lets the habit slip or speaks Morporkian as Morporkians do (for some reason I'm put in mind of a scene from Poirot referring to 'Learn to speak French like a Frenchman' and the concept of speaking the Queen's English in the UK). I also wonder whether in an Uberwaldian accent 'when' would be pronounced 'vhen', just as 'what' is pronounced 'vhat' - if so it's not the case in {{RS}}.

			: But of course, a lot of this is explaining away problems. I hate nitpicking over words - to be honest I tend to just overlook or dismiss on grounds similar to the above a lot of these inconsistencies (Though Margolotta's accent variations between different books has been noticable) and get on with whats still an enjoyable story.
			:--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 00:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

	== Audible Version ==		== Audible Version ==

Osiris: /* Audible Version */

2014-01-05T20:36:08Z

Audible Version

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	::Yep, Audible is subject to the whim of the publishers. They only just added Thief of Time this year. I had to buy the really expensive CDs for that one a while ago. --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		::Yep, Audible is subject to the whim of the publishers. They only just added Thief of Time this year. I had to buy the really expensive CDs for that one a while ago. --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

			:::Not available until March 18th for anything in the US. Wonder what happened to the existing agreements. US releases have mostly tracked with the UK releases for the last few years. --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 20:36, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

Osiris: /* Audible Version */

2014-01-05T20:33:55Z

Audible Version

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	Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)
	:Mmm. You can get Tony Robinson's abridged version and you can the real one as a download (expensively}, but the unabridged cds don't seem to be available until March even from Britain. ''Audible'' differentiates between countries? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		:Mmm. You can get Tony Robinson's abridged version and you can the real one as a download (expensively}, but the unabridged cds don't seem to be available until March even from Britain. ''Audible'' differentiates between countries? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

			::Yep, Audible is subject to the whim of the publishers. They only just added Thief of Time this year. I had to buy the really expensive CDs for that one a while ago. --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

Old Dickens: /* Audible Version */

2014-01-05T20:14:43Z

Audible Version

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	Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)
			:Mmm. You can get Tony Robinson's abridged version and you can the real one as a download (expensively}, but the unabridged cds don't seem to be available until March even from Britain. ''Audible'' differentiates between countries? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

Osiris: /* Audible Version */ new section

2014-01-05T19:50:45Z

Audible Version: new section

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	Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)		Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)

			== Audible Version ==

			Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

Old Dickens: and Dwarf religion

2014-01-05T19:13:39Z

and Dwarf religion

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	* another change of management at Goatberger publishers.		* another change of management at Goatberger publishers.
	* "Flash", the Golem horse is only 903 years old, not 60,000.		* "Flash", the Golem horse is only 903 years old, not 60,000.
			* and, of course, the Dwarfs have acquired religion, something they'd avoided successfully for ages. Even Bashfull Bashfullsson calls on Tak as a god.

	Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)		Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)

Old Dickens: /* Many questions */

2013-12-05T16:54:53Z

Many questions

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	* [[Moist von Lipwig]] becoming middle-aged when we wouldn't have thought him more than thirty-five (and Vimes and Vetinari remain young and spry).		* [[Moist von Lipwig]] becoming middle-aged when we wouldn't have thought him more than thirty-five (and Vimes and Vetinari remain young and spry).
	* Margolotta's accent, which had disappeared by the time of the great town-amd-gown football match, has returned.		* Margolotta's accent, which had disappeared by the time of the great town-amd-gown football match, has returned.
	* ~~Magnetism~~ is now fairly well known on the Discworld.		* magnetism is now fairly well known on the Discworld.
	* ~~Another~~ change of management at Goatberger publishers.		* another change of management at Goatberger publishers.
	* "Flash", the Golem horse is only 903 years old, not 60,000.		* "Flash", the Golem horse is only 903 years old, not 60,000.


	Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)		Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)

Old Dickens at 16:53, 5 December 2013

2013-12-05T16:53:16Z

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	Errr... reference footnote on page 228 (noted on [[Book:Raising Steam/Annotations\|Annotations]] page). This deals with the spin-off industry of model railway sets. Sir Harry King has not given permission for his likeness to be licenced for marketing as a trackside figure. But he is somewhat chuffed and will not make an issue out if it, even though Lady Effie complained it makes him look ''too fat''....[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:23, 16 November 2013 (GMT)		Errr... reference footnote on page 228 (noted on [[Book:Raising Steam/Annotations\|Annotations]] page). This deals with the spin-off industry of model railway sets. Sir Harry King has not given permission for his likeness to be licenced for marketing as a trackside figure. But he is somewhat chuffed and will not make an issue out if it, even though Lady Effie complained it makes him look ''too fat''....[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:23, 16 November 2013 (GMT)
	:{{wp\|The Fat Controller\|The Fat Controller}} even features in the blurb, of course. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:54, 16 November 2013 (GMT)		:{{wp\|The Fat Controller\|The Fat Controller}} even features in the blurb, of course. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:54, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

			==Many questions==
			As The Author throws more curveballs, screwballs, spitballs and beanballs at us Book Discussion pages may become overworked as we try to work out what's actually going on. More oddities seem to appear lately that cause me, at least, to shake the head and ask: "where did that come from?" We've recently noticed:
			* a remarkable turnaround at the [[Fiddler's Riddle]]
			* the miraculous recovery of Vetinari's gammy leg. He may have noticed and availed himself of [[Grapeshot's Therapeutic Squeezer]], but we're not sure if that works on old injuries.
			* [[Moist von Lipwig]] becoming middle-aged when we wouldn't have thought him more than thirty-five (and Vimes and Vetinari remain young and spry).
			* Margolotta's accent, which had disappeared by the time of the great town-amd-gown football match, has returned.
			* Magnetism is now fairly well known on the Discworld.
			* Another change of management at Goatberger publishers.
			* "Flash", the Golem horse is only 903 years old, not 60,000.


			Working these out may be as difficult as building the [[Discworld Timeline\|Timeline]], mind you. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:53, 5 December 2013 (GMT)

Old Dickens at 15:54, 16 November 2013

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	Errr... reference footnote on page 228 (noted on [[Book:Raising Steam/Annotations\|Annotations]] page). This deals with the spin-off industry of model railway sets. Sir Harry King has not given permission for his likeness to be licenced for marketing as a trackside figure. But he is somewhat chuffed and will not make an issue out if it, even though Lady Effie complained it makes him look ''too fat''....[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:23, 16 November 2013 (GMT)		Errr... reference footnote on page 228 (noted on [[Book:Raising Steam/Annotations\|Annotations]] page). This deals with the spin-off industry of model railway sets. Sir Harry King has not given permission for his likeness to be licenced for marketing as a trackside figure. But he is somewhat chuffed and will not make an issue out if it, even though Lady Effie complained it makes him look ''too fat''....[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:23, 16 November 2013 (GMT)
			:{{wp\|The Fat Controller\|The Fat Controller}} even features in the blurb, of course. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:54, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

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	Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		Alas this isn't yet available in the US version of audible :( --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 January 2014 (GMT)
	:Mmm. You can get Tony Robinson's abridged version and you can the real one as a download (expensively}, but the unabridged cds don't seem to be available until March even from Britain. ''Audible'' differentiates between countries? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (GMT)		:Mmm. You can get Tony Robinson's abridged version and you can the real one as a download (expensively}, but the unabridged cds don't seem to be available until March even from Britain. ''Audible'' differentiates between countries? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:14, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

			::Yep, Audible is subject to the whim of the publishers. They only just added Thief of Time this year. I had to buy the really expensive CDs for that one a while ago. --[[User:Osiris\|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris\|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (GMT)